Comments for Alberta Writes: https://www.artsrn.ualberta.ca/conversasions Conversations about Writing in Secondary and Post-secondary Contexts Fri, 26 Oct 2012 21:44:50 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=4.1.7 Comment on Whole group by rita.malek https://www.artsrn.ualberta.ca/conversasions/?page_id=48#comment-82 Fri, 26 Oct 2012 21:44:50 +0000 http://www.artsrn.ualberta.ca/conversasions/?page_id=48#comment-82 Summing Up
Synergies: Commonalities Across the Contexts
-writing is valuable regardless of what you’re teaching
-voice is important regardless of context; we might use it in different ways depending on the context
-context is important, helping students understand and deconstruct contexts
-draft writing and having chances to experiment, take chances/risks and make mistakes—put the editor at the back table for a while
-resist the narrowing effects of standardized testing; we need variety, validity and links
-we’re all invested and want to work at this
-basics: clarity of expression, content organization, the “craft of writing”
Gaps:
-everyone is struggling in their own context, the silo effect
-understanding the expectation; clearly articulated expectations and assessment tools to reflect those expectations
-content instructors don’t feel the need to teach writing; drawing awareness
-instructors that aren’t trained teachers; the practice of teaching can be addressed
-experience and theory must be valued; sometimes we need to take a step back
-moving towards how we teach versus what we teach
-student focus versus content focus
-the way we view and communicate about assessment and how it is perceived; assessment of a composition (“as is”, at a point in time), not what a student is worth
Implications:
-the importance of metacognition
-inter-disciplinary discussion, and it’s value; also discussion across levels
-started a conversation to be on similar ground, gained a better understanding and insights
-conversation to share our message to those that create standardized tests, and other parties; further conversation and engagement
-are we applying what we have discussed? responsibilities to share
-sustainability
What’s Next?
-practical strategies, narrowing down what we can do NOW to start this
-how do you want us to lighten the load if we’re interested in helping?
-something like this conference/workshop, but on a more major scale
-broadening the conversation
-an idea of Alberta “reads” “deconstructs”… all the strands of literacy

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Comment on Table 6 by Stefanie Tolman https://www.artsrn.ualberta.ca/conversasions/?page_id=23#comment-81 Fri, 26 Oct 2012 21:44:08 +0000 http://www.artsrn.ualberta.ca/conversasions/?page_id=23#comment-81 Group discussion about “synergies”

Writing is valuable, regardless of what you’re teaching.
Voice is important, regardless of the context, but we might use it different ways, depending on the context.
We should help kids understand the context and deconstruct the context.
The importance of draft writing, and the importance of making mistakes.
Process, and the ability to take risks, is important.
We should avoid the narrow focus created by standardized testing.
We want to teach this way, but we often feel limited or constrained by the Diploma exams.
Content, organization, expression all transfer across domains. Transfer is important.

Group discussion about “gaps”

Sometimes expectations aren’t clearly stated at the outset, and students don’t know what’s expected of them.
It’s easy to forget what we learn at professional development-type conferences like this one. It’s hard to immediately implement what we’ve learned.
Our biases in our own disciplines can create obstacles in our teaching of writing.
We can become too focused on content. The kids matter more.

Group discussion about “implications”

The importance of metacognition.
The value of interdisciplinary discussion, as well as discussion across levels.
The importance of conversation, even within our specific departments.
How do we get our message to people in other departments?
Taking the risk to extend the conversation beyond this conference.

Group discussion about “what’s next?”

Building practical strategies. What can we do in our own classrooms? What can our colleagues do right now, to start?
Building writing into other courses.
Bringing in the other strands of literacy: Alberta Reads, etc.

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Comment on Table 3 by oriana.derby https://www.artsrn.ualberta.ca/conversasions/?page_id=17#comment-80 Fri, 26 Oct 2012 21:43:40 +0000 http://www.artsrn.ualberta.ca/conversasions/?page_id=17#comment-80 What’s Next?

– create practical strategies for the classroom
– broaden the conversation, include new voices from different backgrounds and regions
– create texts, documents
– include more strands of literacy across the curriculum

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Comment on Table 3 by oriana.derby https://www.artsrn.ualberta.ca/conversasions/?page_id=17#comment-79 Fri, 26 Oct 2012 21:36:52 +0000 http://www.artsrn.ualberta.ca/conversasions/?page_id=17#comment-79 Implications:
– Importance of metacognition, and looking at writing within a larger context
-interdisciplinary discussion, as well as across levels
– connection between assessment and how the student perceives themselves. Belief that the assessment reflects who the student is, instead of how they did that particular assignment. This creates an obstacle to learning.
– Importance of conversation between K-12, university people, people that create standardized tests
– Knowledge vs application: need to apply what has been discussed within the classroom context
– share knowledge with colleagues
– continue the conversation beyond today
– how do we make this view of language/literacy sustainable?

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Comment on Table 3 by oriana.derby https://www.artsrn.ualberta.ca/conversasions/?page_id=17#comment-78 Fri, 26 Oct 2012 21:31:14 +0000 http://www.artsrn.ualberta.ca/conversasions/?page_id=17#comment-78 Gaps:
– time for teachers to get together and collaborate
– gap between clearly articulated expectations, assessment tools, rubrics, and what is communicated to the student
– often university instructors don’t feel the need to teach writing
– most university instructors are not trained teachers – do not think about instructions, rubrics, assessment tools
– experience is valuable as well as theory
– moving towards how we teach vs what we teach: be more kid focused, instead of content focused

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Comment on Table 2 by Ashlee https://www.artsrn.ualberta.ca/conversasions/?page_id=15#comment-76 Fri, 26 Oct 2012 21:27:16 +0000 http://www.artsrn.ualberta.ca/conversasions/?page_id=15#comment-76 Conversation 5:
Bob Broad and David Slomp
Focus Questions: What themes emerged within and between the conversations that occurred today? What gaps have become apparent through these conversations? What implications for writing curricula and assessment practices might be drawn from these conversations?

What’s next?
-meetings by division/grade to do examination of Alberta education rubrics and creations of our own
-Revolutionize education! (less subject specific, more connectedness)
-More dialogue between ALL subject divisions.
-Continued growth for all teachers; it is just as important for us to remember and remind ourselves and each other that we too, are still learning and growing like our students. “Teacher as model”
-More dialogue between university and high schools.
-Bring in content area teachers (besides ELA) and continue this dialogue.

Gaps
-Lack of communication
-Expectations placed on ELA teachers to be the “teachers of writing”. Content area teachers need to assume responsibility as well.
-We have a difficult balance between what we would like to do and what we must do (curriculum/exam constraints). This is magnified by a lack of writing in other disciplines.
-Knowing what others are actually doing (sharing assignments, assessments, stories etc)
-Universities have writing assignments across disciplines so why are we not doing this in high school?
-Preparing our students for what they will be learning (curriculum) AFTER they move up a grade level, and when they graduate from high school.

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Comment on Table 5 by erin.gough https://www.artsrn.ualberta.ca/conversasions/?page_id=21#comment-75 Fri, 26 Oct 2012 21:24:48 +0000 http://www.artsrn.ualberta.ca/conversasions/?page_id=21#comment-75 Synergies:
– Voice is important and dependent on context.
– Writing is a process!
– Writing should be context specific
– Different criteria for different format and tone
– Writing is valuable in all subjects
– Clear expectations produce better results
– Organization and development
– Purpose must be articulated

What’s Next?
– Meetings in schools, communities about the same issues
– Student teach PD seminars and workshops
– Define, objectively, effective writing. Remove as much subjectivity as possible.
– How do we assess to show that writing is a process and yet also adhere to a university’s requirement for evaluating grades?
– Encourage cross-curricular development of writing skills.

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Comment on Table 9 by msticksl https://www.artsrn.ualberta.ca/conversasions/?page_id=41#comment-74 Fri, 26 Oct 2012 21:24:32 +0000 http://www.artsrn.ualberta.ca/conversasions/?page_id=41#comment-74 From the writing on the wall

Implications

Various strategies to determine what works best
Practice, practice, practice!!!
Work amongst all subject areas to incorporate subject specific reading and writing
The need / necessity of space and time
Link narrative to public writing
Focus on process and practice
Focus first on voice and then on “editing”
Context is key – specificity and focus constraints can liberate
Multidisciplinary writing
Evaluating drafts!
We aren’t being the best teachers we can be because we aren’t working together to create a full picture for students especially in junior and senior high.

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Comment on Table 5 by Table 5 https://www.artsrn.ualberta.ca/conversasions/?page_id=21#comment-73 Fri, 26 Oct 2012 21:24:04 +0000 http://www.artsrn.ualberta.ca/conversasions/?page_id=21#comment-73 Synergies:
• Clarity of expression (post secondary Lethbridge college)
• Voice, interest
• Writing is not only for assessment, but for understanding
• Making writing more meaningful/truthful
• “As is”
• assessment is secondary purpose
Gaps
• what we’ve talked about today is what I want to teach. Curriculum and diploma prep is what I have to teach. Where’s the middle ground?
• HS. → Post secondary: writing academics/scholarly papers and rigor involved. Documentation styles. Using sources to support arguments (vs. summarizing research)
• Alberta curriculum does not require teachers to teach “university writing”. How can we reach 70% or so percent of students who do not go to university while still preparing the 30% who do?

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Comment on Table 3 by oriana.derby https://www.artsrn.ualberta.ca/conversasions/?page_id=17#comment-72 Fri, 26 Oct 2012 21:23:42 +0000 http://www.artsrn.ualberta.ca/conversasions/?page_id=17#comment-72 Synergies:
– good writing (in all forms) involves critical thought)
– clarity
– all disciplines require effective and clear writing with a purpose (thesis) and support (evidence), and a voice…not just english!
– voice, story, study, care, conversations
– Importance of context – writing for self, for others, for the world, for assessment, etc
– personal relationship between student and student writing
– awareness of the relationship between the reader and the writer

What’s Next:
– meetings by division/grade – examination ABEd rubrics and creation of our own
-revolutionize education! Less subject specific, more connectedness
– more dialogue between all subject divisions (have the same activity for different majors)
– continual growth for all teachers, it is just as important for us to remember and remind ourselves and each other that we too are still learning like our students. “Teacher as model” :)
– more dialogue between universities and high schools
– bring in content area teachers (besides ELA) and continue this dialogue

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